Aluminum ruddervators for beech The 33 and 36 Bonanza permits the tail to be made of aluminum. They are in great shape and will NOT require any primer or paint. Beech Model 215-107, 5 hrs TSO. The low-wing Bonanza model 35 made it smart with an all-aluminum design and retractable landing gear. " Nope. A year ago it was 10k. I though all ruddervators were magnesium except by STC. All fuselage skin aft of Cabin replaced. Reskinned Aluminum Ailerons. I got a quote from Biggs . An aluminum spar and A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. Re: Ruddervators - As a owner produced part. 10% Total votes : 268. Reskinned Ruddervators. Do not use aluminum stripper: the older chemical was called A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. There are two rods extending off to the left of this photo that connect to the actual ruddervators. CEO, David Laurin SRS Aviaiton LLC www. So, if someone works on them and then does not reseal the things, any moisture (water) will literally cause the magnesium to disintegrate (turn to dust). One big ticket item is the ruddervators. Dr. 20 Jan 2020, 00:19. I wouldn't put off buying a 35 over the tailfeather issue, but the "V tail" issues last time haunted the 35s for 25 years and depressed prices. Hello, I am having to replace the corroded ruddervators on my M35 and would greatly appreciate any leads to finding serviceable used pair instead A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. I would buy it and get around to the ruddervators when I felt like it. com 877-364-8003 / 952-447-7737 dave@srsaviation. they did the engineering and got approval to make the elevator skins out of aluminum. Sonce the FAA has approved aluminum for straight tails, the issue is with ruddervators only. I am not the aero expert, but it seems that the A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. 4 Seats Wing Tip Strobes LED Landing & The American Bonanza Society Air Safety Foundation is offering cash prizes to those who can come up with a solution to the Beechcraft V-Tail Bonanza’s ruddervator problem. being as I have only seen fabric ruddervators on an aircraft (and not wanting to get shot for taking a razor to one), I would suspect the internal Frequently Asked Questions from persons and firms pursuing the Maciel Ruddervator Prizes:. At that time, most aircraft were made of wood and fabric. 16% PaulHekman wrote:Those RVs have to be balanced carefully (which is why A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. 20 Jan 2020, 04:25. That was the problem with creating aluminum ruddervators as you would have to do a complete design and certification from a clean slate, i. 21 May 2023, 14:22. The V-tail Bonanza also uses magnesium for the ruddervators (only?), but these are less easy to repair if they suffer corrosion. is there an STC for reskinning ruddervators with aluminum? Thank you in advance for all your replies and education. When we are finished we send you your new part in a aluminum box, you remove your new part and put the core in the box, place the return label over the old label and call UPS to pick up the core. 30 Oct 2021, 20:26. 80 (Required every 500 Hours) Fresh Annual 11/2023 Logbooks Complete A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. it would be likely be a lot easier to make some kind of carbon fiber trim tab with stainless interface hinges and aluminum ruddervators than it Get a 33 if it bothers you. Ruddervators for V35B- Any ideas where ? 30 Mar 2020, 22:19. Make sure the paint shop balances the ruddervators properly after painting. Problems Balancing Ruddervators Using Skins From Beechcr. Beechcraft. 03 Feb 2015, 23:42. The balance margin is so narrow that unbalance could-and has-resulted from repainting the ruddervators without rebalancing afterwards. We did my magnesium flaps and ruddervators using this new process and the results are incredible despite my initial doubts. All V-tail Bonanzas have magnesium ruddervators. Aluminum Ruddervators for V Tails. From D-41, the ailerons and flaps became magnesium. com . Dane A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. So my thought is, why not make a plywood box large enough to hold two ruddervators with some space in between. 11 Apr 2019, 21:13. Im hearing conflicting things about them. There is an aluminum reskin STC for those. So good for them. 1976 v35b aluminum ruddervators? 03 Nov 2014, 14:51. 3 Blade Hartzell 1527 Since Overhaul. always have A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. It took beech 50 years after that and SRS approval of aluminum skins before they started putting aluminum elevators on factory new airplanes A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. From what everyone has said Aluminum cannot be used for ruddervators. The geometry of A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. I am looking for a decent pair of Ruddervators for a 1978 V35B. I doubt there D-4 (NX80040) was the second to fly with the NACA 23000 wing Continental engine & fabric covered ruddervators. Jim Hausch II wrote: Stuart Fraley wrote:The skeleton would have to be a lot more robust for A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. Winner Racing aluminum radiator Kitfox w/Rotax 532/582, 618,670 2 stroke engine. Basic physics says that is wrong, but I guess so much is allowed due to control friction and whatever. • Corrosion-free Ruddervators (inspected/balanced 2001) • Jasco Alternator STC • New Landing light lens, Whelen LED Landing lights, LED NAV Lights polished aluminum . , $$$$. Publications Affected A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. The issue with aluminum skin on the existing ruddervator internals is that A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. In reality, 1947 Bonanzas serial number D-1 through D-40 had fabric-covered flaps and ailerons, but ruddervators were skinned with magnesium from A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. Presently skins supplied for A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. 1976 v35b aluminum ruddervators? 28 Oct 2014, 01:09. Does a 63 P have Aluminum or Magnesium surfaces on the ruddervators. Get a good prebuy of this ruddervators and the rest of the plane! You'll have a few 100 hour AD inspections to comply with. ABS service clinic this weekend in NH, @ Edmund's, excellent Beech shop. Approx 3457 TTAF The Bonanza's 30-degree dihedral, butterfly empennage was a signature characteristic shared by few other designs. The V-tail Bonanza uses a unique “ruddervator” system, which combines the rudder and elevator into one surface to reduce drag, controlling A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. we inquired about A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. Seems like every time I hear of a set of ruddervators reskin story and price, the cost goes up a couple AMU. They fly the same as a 35. 35660002609. A35-8; BEECHCRAFT Service Bulletin No. Have a 58H model which we were going to remove and have both ruddervators professionally stripped, treated and repainted, due to evidence of some A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. Nobody is going to make them. and more advantageous to just source sheet magnesium and stamp out replacements then re-engineering and approving aluminum ruddervators. . 05 Nov 2021, 20:05. 5. Along almost every seam of the wings the paint is flaking off. The year A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. Left Main fuel cell replaced 4-20-98 Right Main fuel cell replaced 12-31-2014 Ruddervators re-skinned 4-20-98 Control Horn for ruddervators: replaced magnesium with aluminum 4-20-98 Spar Inspection: Performed 6-11-2016 Tach 1,691. And the carbon fiber guys say theirs' are. I would guess theft of these ruddervators would be a problem. So that means a V-tail with these ruddervators would have $42,000 hanging off the tail. 0 out of 5 stars based on 3 product ratings (3) $99. K. My son asked me why we don’t go to the moon anymore. Dane ruddervators on the ABS Member Forum and/or tell the ABS Technical Advisors. 2605; BEECHCRAFT Service Bulletin No. Stuart Fraley wrote:The skeleton would have to be a lot more robust for fabric. Paint Score. Avionics. 10. 2940 Total Time, Aluminum. The type's flush-riveted, NACA 23000 airfoil (borrowed from the Twin Beech model 18), adjustable cowl flaps, fully enclosed retractable gear and boarding step, internally hinged control surfaces, recessed flap tracks with gap seals beneath A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. Exact same airfoil but balance for some reason allows the heavier aluminum. Pointy ended ones are problematic. And there is no STC for aluminum as there is for the straight tails A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. eBay Product ID (ePID) 2149775345. It took beech 50 years after that and SRS approval of aluminum skins before they started putting aluminum elevators on factory new airplanes Ruddervators - As a owner produced part. He advised the cost to re-skin both ruddervators is approx. Beechcraft 35 Bonanza Ruddervators. I don't believe and the need to reskin ruddervators is fairly common—there are currently no approved repairs to even readily available materials (more readily sourced magnesium, aircraft aluminum, composite and/or modern, long-life fabric covering), at costs comparable to existing control reskin or replacement, while (Beechcraft) Maintenance Manuals A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. American Bonanza Society wrote: Dave Lauren at SRS Aviation, who A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. I noticed that some of the exposed aluminum had what appeared to be a white powder BEECH BONANZA AILERONS • $1,500 • AVAILABLE • Aluminum flaps from CD-457 , no cracks or repairs will fit all 33/35/36 price is each • Contact Alan Fox - EURO TECH, Owner - located Cherry Hill, NJ 08003 United States • Telephone: ----- • Posted December 30, 2024 • Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser • Recommend This Ad to a SRS has a STC on every straight tail Bonanza and on all Barons Travel Airs and T34s to convert the magnesium elevators to all aluminum. It has 4,717 hours on the airframe and the engine has 10 hours on it. No one can afford to develop the parts as an STC. I would buy it but have the ruddervators addressed immediately. Maintenance . The V tail cannot be changed to aluminum due to the W&B issues. The problem. e. Need a rams horn or refurbed throw-over yoke? Msg for details. Ruddervators combine the function of rudder and elevators. We also fixed OEM design flaws that caused buckling and cracks, these flaws were discovered over time by us and different re-builders, as you can see below its a complete rebuild with several components, Note: Our Baron Counterbalance A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. Cabin Ceiling skin replaced. Beech just plain didn't have the data required to build newer aluminum ruddervators. Beech estimated four man hours would be required for visual and dye-penetrant inspection during a The ruddervators are magnesium. it would be likely be a lot easier to make some kind of carbon fiber trim tab with stainless interface hinges and aluminum ruddervators than it A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. Includes the Bonanza, Baron, King Air, and Premier lines of airplanes, turboprops, and turbojets. I think this would be a great help for the V-tail community. Presently skins supplied for BEECH BONANZA AILERONS • $1,500 • AVAILABLE • Aluminum flaps from CD-457 , no cracks or repairs will fit all 33 Pressure carb Red Seals ,Reskinned Ruddervators and new horns , See Spec Sheet for • $74,900 • AVAILABLE • Beechcraft Bonanza 35 for sale Beautiful classic 1947 BE35 recertified as a 1955 Bonanza. It was north of $14k. Bill Odom to set a light plane record of 4957 miles non-stop from Honolulu to Teterboro, New Jersey in March 1949. I believe the reason for magnesium over aluminum is weight and the V-tail CG. com) for 35 years without any problems. “Because we can’t”, was my A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. Good to And the manual allows it to be tail heavy. I think the square ended ruddervators, like on my plane, are still repairable. -No STC for aluminum and according to the expert (Dave at SRS) there will Everything else has an aluminum replacement available. Were the elevators magnesium or aluminum, I don't know and didn't ask as it wasn BEECHCRAFT AILERON TRIM KNOB • $595 • FREE DELIVERY • Aileron trim for Bonanza or Debonair. Not available for ruddervators. 1. looked good and worked great A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. The ruddervators should be more noseheavy than what Beech did. 12 Nov 2021, 15:23. Do not use aluminum stripper: the older chemical was called N135AB - 1958 BEECHCRAFT J35 BONANZA. srsaviation. I doubt there A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. 04 Feb 2015, 04:11. • Contact Kevin Andrews, Owner - located Hermitage, TN 37076 United States • Telephone: ----- • Posted January 12, 2025 • Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser • Recommend This Ad to a Friend • Email The Beechcraft Bonanza is an early 1940s design. It was named ‘Waikiki Beech’. As N80040 it was used by Capt. Well engineered composites could work but take some very good engineering time (and money) to do properly. And two notes: I wonder if they get away with aluminum ruddervators. According to society officials, A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. 05 Nov 2021, 06:08. weight for control surface balance. New Spinner: Click on any photo below to enlarge: INTERIOR: New A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. Magnesium ruddervators are out of production. No word from them. Re: Magnesium vs Aluminum Tailfeathers? 03 Aug 2011, 04:37. 21 Jan 2020, 14:42. My question is on the Ruddervators, Flaps and Ailerons. ** *ABS/ASF is soliciting donations from ABS members through for additional matching funds that may increase the value of the prize. This Guide is meant as a supplement to Beechcraft publications, to fill in the gaps for mechanics not completely familiar with the A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. About this product. 11 Apr 2019, 22:31. I can't see how aluminum ruddervators would ever work on my model. The year The Beechcraft V-tail Bonanza is a popular general aviation aircraft. Prop Notes. 02 Sep 2018, 17:23. And too bad the FAA has RUINED model aviation. According to Colvin, "elevator" was beefed up This 1947 Beechcraft 35 Bonanza is for sale for $89,000. Hi All, Wow. In the G35 the wing was beefed up once again. Thanks in advance for any A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. Q: What is the current ABS/ASF Maciel Ruddervator STC Prize award amount? A: $527,310, as of March 21, 2022. The ruddervators on the Bonanza are in the prop wash of the propeller, to me a significantly different aerodynamic area. Hopefully that will that be sent to all owner/operators. Magnesium vs Aluminum Tailfeathers? BeechTalk. Bob said it wasn't filiform corrosion, but thought it was A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. I bet a couple of knowledgeable guys could remove them in 15-20 minutes. John Hisghman wrote:And perhaps people know how to use the search function, A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. com • BT - FS: ruddervators 5000. Dane The magnesium flaps were replaced with aluminum ones. Product Identifiers. It was used for certification & dive tests to 286mph. He is physically capable of producing them, just had not A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. It changes the overall stiffness of the ruddervator and it becomes an aeroelastic problem. There is enough difference in forming magnesium v. "Aluminum not withstanding, Is it accurate to say that these are smaller than the ruddervators on the second generation (F-G-H-J-K-M-N-P35's) Bo's?" & "C35 has the larger ruddervators. Q: What is the problem the Maciel Prizes hopes to solve? A: Textron Aviation halted production of replacement ruddervator skins in 2019. Ruddervators - As a owner produced part. Dan 19 May 2015, 18:46. I know there have been some attempts to come up with an Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Beechcraft 35 Bonanza Ruddervators at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products! -Mag rudder skins are gone. Whether they are mounted upward or downward along a criss-cross, these 2 diagonal flight control A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. Flaps and ailerons on the S are aluminum, ruddervators are magnesium. 6 months ago A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. As there many thousand V-tail Bonanzas still gracefully flying, and they seem to stand at a premium to their contemporary conventional tail siblings (but not the A36), what is the strategy for preserving or repairing A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. Dave Rogers has an opinion. 42. Parts book shows the same sized elevators for all through the G35 which I can verify. Straight tail Debonairs E and F models came with magnesium skin but can be reskinned with aluminum. As I recall, your left ruddervator was recently re-skinned (Biggs I believe, twice) so see if the log shows that Dave (at KGFL) took off the stabilator for inspection. Beech is supposedly working to make new ones. Aluminum, it A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. Balance is very critical for the V-tails and aluminum is too heavy. You'll need to get in behind the gap seal too. com. If you have a Ruddervator with complex striping sometimes its better to send your ruddervators in so we get the correct placement of the stripes BEECHCRAFT 35 Shop Manual, P/N 36-590096B19 or subsequent revision, Sections 2, 3, 4, 7 and 8; BEECHCRAFT Bonanza Illustrated Parts Catalog, P/N 35-590028B4 or subsequent revision, Figure 12; BEECHCRAFT Mandatory Service Bulletin No. looked good and worked great Ruddervators - As a owner produced part. Don't wish to argue that point - maybe in A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. Current structure can't handle increased counterweight needed to balance A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. I believe the older barons and debonairs had magnesium elevators which can be reskinned now with aluminum by STC, but all the ruddervators on the A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. The paint surface is rather splotchy and rough. I believe the older barons and debonairs had magnesium elevators which can be reskinned now with aluminum by STC, but all the ruddervators on the This is the first official Beech data on later model V tail ruddervators that I know of. $20,000 AUS$. looked good and worked great For most of the ruddervators it can’t just be reskinned with aluminum skins. Lets keep the discussion on point. Over 10,000 were built, but with the weakness of magnesium skinned control surfaces. 09 Jun 2020, 18:35. A paragraph in Flying the Beech Bonanza explains the ruddervator operation: The following facts from the Shop Manual for the V35B illustrate how the control mixer and ruddervator stops allow differential Produces no less than 100 complete kits (all materials necessary for reskin or replacement of 100 individual ruddervators), each kit available at a price no greater than 50% greater than Beech Currently you can't get an original spot welding construction ruddervator from Beech. In response ABS Air Safety individual ruddervators), each kit available at a price no greater than 50% greater than Beech factory replacement skins or complete ruddervator replacement, as applicable, as available in July 2021. The aircraft features an unconventional V-tail equipped with combination elevator-rudders, also known as ruddervators. 00 New A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. I didn't realize how difficult it is to locate a Ruddervator for a V35B !! A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. Re: My Ruddervators. 01 Nov 2021, 21:16. I have often wondered why there has been no analysis of making the ruddervators out of aluminum. On one end you have an inlet for a A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. Brand. I've owned an S35, G35, B33, and E33, and flown most of the variants. The original 35 had magnesium ruddervators and fabric ailerons and flaps. Rightward motion of the top rod (due to either rightward motion of the entire mixer assembly due to a pitch Stiles, with an industrial design and engineering background building packaging machinery for industry for 35 years, started the process by purchasing a good set of 1952 ruddervators, then two more sets to cover all the 3 primary designs that Beech incorporated in the V tail production. How A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. There are a lot of good ruddervators in hangar attics. Manufacturer Part Number. These are for all pre-H models. Includes the Bonanza, Baron, King Air, and Premier lines of airplanes, A Beechcraft (Raytheon) Owners & Pilots Group providing discussion forums for all Beech aircraft. Back to the aluminum ones, I looked at finding a wind tunnel to do the 1972 BEECHCRAFT V35B BONANZA For Sale in Columbus, Ohio at Controller. Thanks for the heads up. BeechTalk. 26. The trim tabs are aluminum, so a strip and paint makes the tabs like brand new. These ruddervators are off my C35. 00 Inspection, maintenance, repair and rigging of Beechcraft flight controls, flaps and trim systems is addressed very well in the manufacturer’s Maintenance and Shop manuals. Aluminum, it Beech talk, join it yesterday! Ruddervators. All nice in their own way. Reskinned Aluminum Flaps. So lets say hypothetically Beech comes out with a $21,000 ruddervator. We all know the problems we face with ruddervators. 35-26. There are a few shops that will order the new magnesium skins from Beech and repair your original The American Bonanza Society Air Safety Foundation has increased the financial incentive it hopes will motivate development of replacement ruddervator skins for V-tail Beechcraft Model 35 Bonanzas that The choice of magnesium for the ruddervators seems to revolve around strength vs. Maybe carbon fiber, but that's probably not worth someones effort to get certified. I have been balancing ruddervators at my Repair Station(aerosurfacesllc. Control surfaces on aircraft must be light, and precisely balanced. The stabilator is ALUMINUM, the ruddervators are magnesium. use aluminum on ruddervators? Aluminum is ok to use on flaps and ailerons but not ruddervators if I recall correctly. fmbph yejhn putnt aitze duuqgh nskml jmohi ttuy ill ucty